Former model who accused Trump of groping her in the 1990s claims Epstein mentioned Trump ‘every time we talked’

The former Sports Illustrated swimsuit model who accused former President Donald Trump of groping her in the presence of Jeffrey Epstein in the early 1990s is providing more details on what she says she observed about Epstein’s relationship with the current presidential candidate and what Epstein told her.

“I would say he was talking about how he had just seen Donald or that he had just done something every time we talked,” Stacey Williams, who worked as a professional model in the 1990s, told ABC News.

This week, Williams went public with allegations that Trump groped her in Epstein’s presence after she said Epstein, who later became known as a serial sex offender, brought her to Trump Tower in the early 1990s.

“I felt very humiliated.”

In an interview with ABC News, Williams said that during her several-month relationship with Epstein, whom she claims to have met in 1992, Trump was among the three people Epstein talked to her about most often, and one of the other two was Ghislaine Maxwell, a longtime associate of Epstein, has since been sentenced to 20 years in prison for recruiting and raising underage girls whom Epstein sexually abused.

The third person, Williams said, was Leslie Wexner, a billionaire retail magnate who once hired Epstein to manage his fortune.

“The people he talked about most were his boss, or whoever that person was, Les Wexner. It’s hard to understand this role. And then Ghislaine again, a bit of an ambiguous, strange relationship. And then Donald Trump,” Williams told ABC News. “Those are the people he talked about the most.”

The details came after Williams first discussed the alleged incident in detail during a public “Saved for Kamala” Zoom call last Monday evening, in which he expressed support for Vice President Kamala Harris. The group is not officially affiliated with Harris’ presidential campaign.

In a statement to ABC News, Trump campaign spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt denied Williams’ allegations, stating in part: “These allegations, made by a former Barack Obama campaigner and announced during Harris’ conference call two weeks before the election, are unequivocally false. “

A Trump campaign spokesman, asked about the claim that Epstein frequently spoke about Trump, said: “It is well known that President Trump kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of his Mar-a-Lago club when revelations about his sex trafficking became public.”

During a Zoom call obtained by ABC News, Williams, who first began speaking publicly about the alleged incident with Trump and Epstein in 2020 Facebook posts, said she felt the alleged incident with groping was a “twisted game.” between Trump and Epstein.

“I felt so humiliated, nauseous and upset, and as I absorbed what happened a few minutes later, I felt like it was some kind of sick bet or game between them,” Williams said. “I was thrown in there like a piece of meat as part of some dare or twisted game and I felt terrible.”

“I thought it was time to share this and I’m ready to win this election,” Williams, a longtime Democrat active in politics, said on a Zoom call. “The thought of this monster being in the White House again is my absolute worst nightmare.”

“It was organized”

Williams told ABC News that the alleged encounter, which occurred when she was 24, lasted no longer than ten minutes. “I was in shock and I froze,” Williams said.

“He just reached out and pulled me towards him, and his hands were still resting on some part of my body,” Williams said in an interview. “His hands were touching the sides of my breasts, not the front but the sides of my breasts, my waist, and then sliding down to my ass and just running up and down my body while they both carried on talking.”

In an interview with ABC News, Williams explained that shortly after the alleged incident, she began to suspect that the meeting with Trump and Epstein was “arranged,” but denied it due to the shame it caused her.

“I have no doubt now that it was arranged,” Williams said.

Shortly after the alleged incident, Williams said Trump sent her a handwritten postcard of his Mar-a-Lago estate that read: “Stacey – Your home away from home. Love Donald.” A photo of the postcard was shared with ABC News.

Two friends confirmed in ABC News interviews that Williams told them years ago about the alleged incident with the former president. Longtime friend Allison Gutwillinger told ABC News that Williams invited her to his home in 2015 to talk about an alleged incident after Trump announced his candidacy.

“I came to her house. There was a postcard on the kitchen counter and the cover looked like Mar-a-Lago. I turned it over and saw a handwritten note signed “I love Donald.” – Gutwillinger said. . “Then she told me he groped her in Trump Tower.”

“I’m not his fan”

Trump ultimately distanced himself from Epstein, who committed suicide in prison in 2019 while awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking charges. Authorities say Epstein sexually abused and molested dozens of underage girls in the early 2000s, including at his homes in New York and Florida.

In 2002, Trump told New York magazine: “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Great guy.”

“He’s great to be around. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are younger,” Trump said at the time.

Epstein was questioned about his relationship with Trump during a March 2010 deposition as part of a civil lawsuit against Epstein brought by some of his victims.

Epstein replied, “Yes, sir,” when asked if he had dated Trump. When asked if he had “ever dated Donald Trump in the presence of women under the age of 18,” Epstein replied: “As much as I would like to answer that question, at least today I will have to affirm my Fifth, Sixth and 14th Amendments, sir.

Before Epstein was charged in 2019, then-President Trump told reporters at the White House that he was “not a fan of Epstein, I’m telling you” and that he “hadn’t talked to him in 15 years.”

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A year later, Trump wished Ghislaine Maxwell “well” after a reporter asked him whether Epstein’s longtime associate should reveal the names of influential people linked to the serial sex offender.

“I don’t know,” Trump said. “I didn’t follow it much. Honestly, I wish her all the best.”

In 2021, Maxwell was convicted of five of six charges related to the exploitation and trafficking of underage girls.

During Maxwell’s trial, flight logs released into evidence showed that Trump was listed as a passenger on Epstein’s private jets at least seven times: four times in 1993, once in 1994 and 1995, and a previously known incident in 1997.

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At least 18 women have accused Trump of various inappropriate behavior, including sexual harassment or sexual assault. During Trump’s first bid for the White House in 2005, a video was released in which he discussed groping women, and Trump can be heard telling former “Access Hollywood” host Billy Bush, “When you’re a star, they let you do it.”

“I am automatically attracted to beautiful women, I just start kissing them, it works like a magnet. I just kiss. I’m not even waiting. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything,” Trump said, including “grab them by the p—-.”

Trump apologized immediately after the comments became public, saying in a video: “Anyone who knows me knows those words do not reflect who I am,” and added: “I said it, I was wrong, and I’m sorry.”

Trump has long vehemently denied all of the women’s accusations. In some cases, he and members of his team explicitly denied individual accusations, but on many occasions they vehemently denied all allegations, calling the women liars.